Thursday, July 18, 2013

Groupset Straight Talk



The odd truth about bikes is they’re mostly the same.  There are only a few tube sets, only a few component manufacturers, only so many variations on design.  Most of what drives the price of a bike is perception.  You’ll often see bike ads touting their group sets as a price point, but what does that all mean?  There are so many variables, so many hierarchies.  So, presented below are what it would take for you to put together a full group set of the most common marquee brands, when culled entirely from Ebay “buy it now” options. 
                So, some words.  Don’t “buy it now” because you can almost always get it cheaper by bidding.  Also, I don’t think a full group is all that desirable and am much more likely to mix and match to my own tastes and value.  I looked for items that were ready to bolt onto your bike, and leaned to vintage, but group sets were not assembled from the same year or incarnation just simply what it would take to honestly say “full whatever” in a CL ad.  I priced Rear and Front* Deraillers, shifters and brake levers** (or brifters where applicable,) brakes and cranks.  When someone puts up an exorbitantly priced bike heavily promoting the group set subtract these figures to see what you’re really paying for the frame.  This represents a single day looking on ebay so of course prices will vary but I’ll bet not by much, shipping has been included.  And like I said, a SINGLE day on a whim on ebay so don’t ever let anyone say the word rare to you about any of this stuff.   *why there is such a thing as tiered front derailleurs I will never know when a cheapo microshift front mech works just as well as grand jubilee.  **again, what the hell?  Tektro makes my all time favorite most comfortable levers and they’re dirt cheap, sub $20 new.

Campy Chorus – Can be yours for $530.  The brifters wrack up the most at $185, cranks second at $150, rear derailler could be had for $80, brakes $70, and front $45.  A whole group set package was available for $600 including a bottom bracket. 

Super Record - $812.  $350 for the cranks (and you’ll kick yourself in a minute if you buy them), $165 brakes, $140 for rear, $80 front (seriously, madness) $40 levers, $37 shifters.  But a bargain $630 full group was available.

Nuovo Record - $384.  Oddly enough the brakes were the scale tippers at $110, $100 cranks, $60 rear, $45 levers, $35 front, $34 levers. You could either spend $700 on a full package with no cranks or $280 on one with no brakes or levers.

Athena - $357 $105 cranks, $80 brifters, $75 rear, $65 brakes, $32 front.  $1000 for a new in box group package.

Shimano.  There’s lots of trickery with shimano as people have a tendency to use names interchangeably for the group sets that evolved into other groups.  I only allowed parts that were branded as the group I’m looking for:

105- $195.  $47 cranks, $35 shifters, $35 rear, $33 brakes, $30 levers (golden arrow, no less), $15 front (like it should be.)

600- $206  $60 cranks, $48 brakes, $30 shifters (arabesque,) $30 rear, $22 levers, $16 front.  Package deal available for $299.

Dura Ace- $278   $71 cranks, $60 rear, $60 shifter, $50 brakes, $20 front, $17 lever.  Package deal for $485 for the impatient and imprudent.

Ultegra - $305  $150 brifters, $60 brakes, $40 rear, $35 cranks (sometimes it is cheaper to buy it now,) $20 front.  $220 package available minus the cranks. 

Like I said, perception.  Notice the wide price spray, especially the disparity between Campy and Shimano.  I know Shimano isn’t as crafty as Campy but for prices this lopsided you’d expect Shimano to amputate your foot and Campy to get you into Harvard.  And you can hook yourself up with Dura Ace which ranks higher than Ultegra for cheaper.

Monday, July 15, 2013

Viscount Lambert Aeropostale rip off

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/bik/3936854405.html
Road Bicycle Viscount Lambert 60 CM [6' to 6'5"] - $195 (st.petersburg)



Viscount Lambert Aeropostale Road Bike 60 CM for 6' to 6'5" hand made in England Shift at Handle Bars with price to sell cheap.$195 
 
Another Viscount popping up.  To refresh, these were cheap bikes of odd design that Sheldon Brown points out are cursed with both tubing prone to cracking and the so called "fork of death," an aluminum steerer tube  tacked to a steel fork that was very prone to failure.  

And again, even without those safety issues, the bike comes in overpriced.  I think it must be the 'rarity' of these that makes people list them so high.  This is a perfect example as to how irrelevant rarity is.  You dont see them because they were dangerous to keep riding, and most of them probably wound up on a heap.  You might like to replace the fork as a project to get practice, but even then there isn't must to want to keep here.  This bike would have to be priced under $50 to be a buy.

Atala Dutch Style bike



Beautiful "Atala" Woman's Bike
Made in Milano (Italy), Cesare Rizzato Padova Italy
Three Speed Sturmey Archer (England)
Tires Original and a bit weather checked (Austrian)
Pletsher Collapsible Cargo Baskets (Switzerland)
"Superlux" Generator Light (Italy)
Has a Full Chain Guard (Very Rare)
Rides Very Nice. Very Unique First $100.00

Atala tends to be the cheap bike that looks nice.  Women's model is a misnomer you see a lot for most step through models.  Dutch style would probably be a more apt title, the idea that you can mount and dismount a bike with greater ease/more restrictive pants.  As a guy I would be very happy to ride this bike.  Lots of extras considering the rack, collapsing paniers, headlight and full fenders.  Nice looks, full chain case even though it's a little beat up, internal hub.  The bars show no rust, not even the shifter clamp.  Great price.

Thursday, July 11, 2013

Rixe Tandem

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bid/3922049762.html
Vintage 1957 Rixe Tandem Bicycle West Germany - $300 (Pottstown Pa )




 Vintage 1957 Rixe Tandem Bicycle. Made in West Germany GREAT PROJECT !

Not that I know anything about it but restoring a 50's West German Tandem seems like one of the most singularly frustrating pursuits you could undertake.  But look at that wacky construction, those gas pipe head lugs.  Another beautiful cottered crank.  And Durex, just like the condom. 

Raleigh Portage (not that Portage)

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/3921445294.html
Vintage Raleigh Portage MTB/Cruiser - Very Clean - 20" - $165 (Abington)



 For sale is a very interesting and rare vintage early 80's Raleigh mountain bike. While I doubt this lugged steel rig has ever climbed any mountains, it certainly can serve well as a cruiser on road or packed trail, and I have it set up that way having replaced the original tires (in the picture) with some new Conti Town & Country 1.95's.

It's a 12 speed (2x6) friction shift with a full Suntour group.

This Portage is not to be confused with the 650 Portage touring bike as this bike was made and sold in Canada by Raleigh Canada and sold at Duke's Sports. The store still exists and right on the seat tube is the sticker with the same phone number 30 years later (I googled it....right on their website). It can be compared most closely to the U.S. build Mountain Peak line of early mountain bikes from the same time period like the Crested Butte and Seneca.

I bought this from someone who found it at an estate sale and it was a true barn find. Mechanically it works just fine, shifting through all of the gears well. The cantilever breaks are good and overall the drive train is super clean. Cosmetically I spent several hours detailing it and it really looks great with all of the chrome shining up nicely as you can see in the pictures. The bike is 100% original except for the tires, and if you are into it, I kept the originals just to preserve the vintage aspect of it. They are also in good original shape and very usable.

Overall a very cool and fully functional bike. You gotta love the bull moose bars!

I do love those bull moose bars, it's one of the things that infatuates me with the mid 80s Raleigh mountain bike line he brings up.  And good play to him for just pointing out right away that this is not the top of the line touring Portage, but rather a cheap Raleigh of Canada mountain bike.  He does take some poetic license bringing up the Crested Butte or the Seneca, which were the top two mountain models.  If this was in that pack it would fall even below their lowest rung Wyoming, and indeed even a little further down the ladder.  It's just a cheap bike made of cheap pipe with cheap parts.  He also incorrectly identifies the brakes as cantis, those center pulls would problematic wet going down a rocky path.

But This isn't a bad bike, just a cheap one.  It's actually accidentally way more in line with a hybrid back before there were hybrids.  It's a few tweaks away, maybe better brakes and 700c wheels.  The double eyelets and thumbies make the bike stand out from others you might not save from the trash heap, this could serve double purpose of a beater you like to work on and a bad weather/errand bike.  $165 is a bit much, around $100 is better.

Wednesday, July 10, 2013

Gianni Motta

http://desmoines.craigslist.org/bik/3924128147.html
Vintage 1982 Gianni Motta Personal - $1600 (Kansas City, MO)




 1982 vintage road bike. This Italian-made bicycle was likely custom ordered and imported by an American as the company was not exporting them in bulk. I have been in possession of the bike since 1989. It is in fair to excellent shape. The frame and parts are all intact and function properly (no dents, scratches). The frame has a few paint nicks around the chain from standard use. Altogether, the frame and the Campagnolo Super Record parts are a premium for any vintage enthusiast. The original Campagnolo Super Record parts follow:

Crank shaft, front and rear sprockets, front and rear changers, front and rear brakes, seat post, pedals, and shifters.

The bike is a 10-speed. It measures roughly 23 inches or 58 centimeters center to center. If one desired a completely unique fixed-gear foundation this bike is it.

Gianni Motta was a bike racer of some renown who founded a bike company after his career ended in the mid 70s.  The frame material is probably some kind of Columbus tubing, and the unity of the group set indicates a higher end model.  A really great looking bike and a total head turner.  I think bikes designed by former racers are the most comfortable, but $1600 isn't a great value.  Thats used custom money, when this is in fact a production bike.  I shudder at the idea of turning this into a fixie.  

Monday, July 8, 2013

Giordana Polaris

http://humboldt.craigslist.org/bik/3915817623.html
Giordana Italian Lugged Steel Road Bike - $425 (Eureka)





Giordana Polaris Steel Lugged frame, 59cm size. Columbus SLX Superbutted tubing. This frame was top of the line Italian racing frame in 1993. Shows it's patina but still a great ride. Not show quality but no major flaws. A classic steel ride that is timeless.
Shimano Dura Ace deraileurs
8 speed rear, 39 x 52 front. 175 mm Shimano 600 crank set.
Shimano Dura Ace index shifters and brake levers. Not down tube shifters.
Ultegra rear hub with Velocity rim (Newer build), Velomax front wheel.
Cyclocomputer, pedals (SPD) included.
Good tires, rear Hutchinson is new.
$425.00

A good day for red bikes.  Great styling, Shimano should've stuck with their old style badging.  Nice componants and frame materials.  This was a rider for someone and you benefit, it's already converted to brifters and the wheels/tires are updated.